1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,280 This is November 8th, isn't it? Yes, November 8th, 1966. And this is Chuck Mackinson and 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,360 Larry Moyers and Mark Kandusa from the Flying Sauce Investigating Committee interviewing 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,200 a person about something that happened just the other night. What is your full name, please? 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,000 John Vickett. John Vickett. Your age? 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,280 Thirty-six. And where do you work? 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,400 At the police department. What's your occupation? 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,040 Police department. Any special training in the Army? 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Did you serve in the services? Yes. What service was it? 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,280 As an Airman Marine Corps. And did you fly? 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,960 I had done some flying, yes, in Marine Corps. You did? Yeah. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,520 You consider yourself having a pretty good set of eyes even today? Oh, yeah. 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:47,560 OK. What was the date of observation? It was a seventh, wasn't it? Sixth. Sixth wasn't it? 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,080 What time was it? The approximate time? Approximately one thirty in the morning. 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,880 That's Eastern Standard Time now. Yes. And the place where you saw the object? 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:02,440 Was it a triple boulevard and quail? And quail. Were you traveling in what direction? 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,800 I was traveling east. How long did you use the object? You know, minutes, seconds? 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Well, actually it's kind of hard to tell. It wasn't very long. I'd say maybe two minutes. 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,000 Something like that. Did you have good, what kind of a sky did you have? 19 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,960 And what kind of visibility? It was clear. We could see it good. 20 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:22,840 Was there clouds in the sky? Well, there may have been. I don't know. 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,560 I didn't notice actually. But it didn't look clear. It didn't rain. It wasn't raining. 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Were the stars, was there a moon out? Yes, there was a moon out here. Which way was it from you? 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,520 Well, from us it would have been, it was behind our cruiser and we was heading east. 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:43,040 So from us it would have been west. Sort of west. Straight up just from us, yeah. 25 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,680 All right. In what direction did you see the object itself? East. 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:53,200 You see more than one object? No, just one. All right. Now, what color was it? 27 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,000 When we first seen it was yellowish gold or orangeish gold color. 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,200 Did you ever see it behind trees or did it pass in front of trees? 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,920 Yes. When we first seen it, you could see it through the trees. 30 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Just just bottom portion of it. You can see through the tree. 31 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,600 I'll give you a chance to tell the whole story, you know, all in one big swing in a minute here. 32 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,120 Do you observe it through the windshield or did you get out of the car to see? 33 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,320 And through the windshield. You didn't get out to look at all from the car. 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:23,160 But it was after we had lost it the first time. 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,920 OK. You hear any sound at all? No. 36 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:30,200 Was it a clearly outlined object or was it blurred or fuzzy? No, it was clear. 37 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,040 You can see it. You think the light was coming from the object itself or was it reflecting lights from the city? 38 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,760 No, it was coming from this. All right. 39 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,520 And we'll ask you about what about size? 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,280 What did it compare? How did it compare with the moon? 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,080 Did you did you try to compare the two? Well, compared to the moon, the moon was small compared to this object. 42 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,120 You see. Well, could you give me a proportion two or three times or what? Well, one and a half. 43 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,800 No, it was I say twice as big as part of the one we could see. 44 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,440 The diameter. Yeah. Yeah. 45 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:07,120 I would say from what we could tell at approximately 70 feet long from where we was at. 46 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:14,080 It looked. Why did you come to this estimate? How far away were you? Well, maybe a hundred yards, 47 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,320 one fifty yards, something like that. And how did the object disappear from view? 48 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Well, it was sitting still when we first seen it. 49 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,360 And then when we stopped the cruiser and then we started to go towards you. 50 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,960 Go ahead and tell your whole story from now on, right in the very beginning. 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,320 We were going east on Triple Boulevard and we were at Woodstock and Triplet. 52 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,920 When we spotted this object at Quail and Triplet, which is about maybe a hundred yards away, 53 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:48,720 one hundred fifty yards away. This object was sitting right behind the church there at Quail and Triplet. 54 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,560 And we stopped the cruiser. 55 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,560 One of the things I come up over, you know, kind of shakes you when you see something you've never seen before. 56 00:03:55,560 --> 00:04:00,600 And with them, my buddy told me, well, let's go see what it is. 57 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:07,440 So when we got in the cruiser and started toward this object, it started to leave traveling east. 58 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Straight away? Yes. It didn't rise, but it started to go away from us. 59 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:21,320 It went in that direction while I couldn't say how many feet or miles for a ways. 60 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,320 And then it kind of veered to the left. 61 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:29,320 Now, it didn't make a sharp left, but it kind of banked like you would see an airplane bank off to the left. 62 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,320 And it went in this direction until we got to about a curved path, you mean? Yes. 63 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,320 The curved path. Did the object change shape as it curved like that? 64 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:43,760 Yeah, it seemed to kind of flatten out a little as it was going away from my idol. 65 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,400 I'd say accelerating, it kind of flattened out now. 66 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:56,440 But stayed on this bank until we got to approximately Canton Road. 67 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,120 Then it seemed to go back in the east of the direction. 68 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,280 Now stayed in this direction until we got almost to Magador on Albrecht Avenue. 69 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,720 And it went out of sight. How? 70 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,520 Well, it just kept getting smaller and smaller and smaller until it got out of sight. 71 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,720 Just in distance? Right. It didn't get lost in any clouds or anything like that? 72 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,280 No, we could see it until it went out of sight. 73 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,360 Then a few seconds later, it came back into sight. 74 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:28,360 And I told my buddy, I said, it's coming back down. Did it get larger? Yes, it got larger. 75 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,480 But it didn't come down, you know, as far as it was first, you know, just came down for me. 76 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,520 It was like three seconds that we could see it this time. 77 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,560 It seemed to be returning towards you. Yes. 78 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,960 And then it took off again and disappeared, you know, kept getting smaller and smaller. 79 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,320 And it took off again, and then we didn't see it anymore. 80 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,720 Did it appear to you that it was disappearing just like any other object, like an airplane or something like that? 81 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,120 It's like you was watching an airplane go away from you. 82 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,320 With a light in the back or something like that? 83 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,880 And at this time, the color of it was... 84 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,440 It wasn't the same color as we've seen it at first. 85 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,760 What was the color at first? 86 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Well, I don't know. It was kind of a silver-gray maybe. 87 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,720 At first, no, it was a yellowish-orange color. 88 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:16,480 But then as it kept getting, you know, going faster seemed like it changed its color to all kind of a whiteish color, silver-gray maybe. 89 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,720 What about when it went into this curving turn? 90 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,040 Yeah, that's when it started changing color and shape like, you know, it kind of flattened out. 91 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,040 Well, maybe it's much like if you look at a quarter head on, and then you make the quarter flatten out a bit. 92 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,840 Now, if you took that quarter head on like that and then immediately you sort of flipped it like that, you couldn't see the whole thing now. 93 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,400 You see it as an oval shape, something of that nature. 94 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,280 Yes, yes. 95 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:42,920 You didn't hear a sound at all? 96 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,080 You see any sparks or any smoke or anything like that coming from it? 97 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,080 Sound and see no lights or nobody? 98 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,920 It was standing still at one time. 99 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:50,960 When we first seen it, yes. 100 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,480 Yes. And what kind of speed was it making when it was moving away? 101 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,720 What do you think? Just compared to an airplane, is the only thing you can compare it with? 102 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,160 Well, when it was going away from us, it was going my first one. 103 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,160 I believe in any airplane could go. 104 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:09,680 I think it was. I believe because considering the length of time that we've seen it for this, 105 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:17,000 I think to disappear from the size it was when we first seen it for it to go clear out of sight and us to be able to watch it go out of sight. 106 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,120 How long did you think it took to go out of sight? Could you just estimate that time? 107 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Maybe a minute and a half. What was your altitude estimate? 108 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,440 When we first seen it, when you first seen it, then went outside. Yes. 109 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Well, when we first seen it, it was awful, though. 110 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:41,480 I would say maybe a hundred to two hundred feet off the ground when we looked like when we first seen it, you know, it's hard to tell. 111 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,800 And the altitude when we lost it, I have no idea what it was because it just kept going up and going farther and farther away. 112 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,880 Now, it actually it actually raised in its elevation as it went away. 113 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,800 As it's going away. Yes. It was usually if it's flying a level course, it would drop a little bit of time. 114 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 It was going toward the horizon, but in this case, you say it was just rising. It was right. 115 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:02,760 But then it was actually on a rise as it went out. Yes. 116 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,960 And the first thought is, was there any landmarks or objects to give you any height comparison? 117 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Well, yes, the church there. Now, we could see this object above the church. 118 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,600 See, and there's there's trees there and you can see it through the trees on the size of the church. 119 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,680 Now, whether it was on the ground or off the ground, we don't know. You know, I couldn't tell. 120 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,560 On the ground, off the ground. Well, whether it had landed or all seek on top of it. 121 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,440 But how close it was down, actually, I don't know. 122 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,600 How's the compare in size when you look at the church and it? Well, it was as big as the church or bigger. 123 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,520 And that's quite that's quite a harvest. Moon. No, this was no moon because we've seen the moon there. 124 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,160 I pointed. Was there anything at all that you could see? 125 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,120 I mean, was there any detail at all outside of a what was the shape of the object? 126 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,640 I mean, the general shape was round, you say the bottom of it was round. 127 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,040 And it was flat on the top. You know, right. 128 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,200 And there was nothing to cut it off. No clouds to cut it off like that. 129 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,520 No, no, there was nothing to cut it off like that. No, it had a form to it. 130 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,840 This had a form to have anything sticking out like antennas. I didn't see any. 131 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,760 No, what about this? What about the surface of this object? 132 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Did it have anything that met your eye that was strange? 133 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:19,320 Well, other than being a strange object, it wasn't a real smooth surface. 134 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:27,400 You know what I mean? It had, I don't know if you'd call it waves or what you would call it, but it wasn't with a geometrically placed all the way. 135 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:33,480 Yes, it looked, you know, like, well, they weren't actually what I don't know if you call them squares or not. 136 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,040 It's kind of hard to describe it, but it wasn't a smooth surface. 137 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,240 You know what? When you get some time, sit down with a piece of paper and do the best you can. 138 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,520 And you keep drawing until you get what you think is right. We'd like to see what you come up with. 139 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,520 I don't know whether we should show him what we have or not until we get the drawing. 140 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,120 But we do have something here that might compare with what you saw. 141 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:01,720 But it wasn't a smooth surface. There was, I don't know if it was a design on this thing or what it was, but it wasn't a smooth surface. 142 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:08,520 You saw no other lights with it, you know, another light, which are of a different color or even with more brilliance. 143 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:09,120 No. 144 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,720 Nothing rotating. It didn't seem to be rotating at all. 145 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,720 No. 146 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,600 All right. Now, was it was it banking this way? Now, let's say, for instance, you got the flat top and you got the rounded bottom. 147 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,920 It was it yawing back and forth? No, not that I can tell. 148 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,360 It was completely level, even in all flight. Yes. 149 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,960 And well, until it started banking off like this, but it wasn't moving this way. 150 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,640 No, not that we could tell. This is what I call a wobble. 151 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,600 You know, did you see any kind of smoke or any kind of aura or corona effect around it? 152 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,440 Did you see the atmosphere around it? It was just clear cut the atmosphere. 153 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,080 Yeah. I mean, it wasn't faded out. You know what I mean? 154 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Like say you would see smoke in the sky at night, how to kind of fade out. 155 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:49,960 This was not like it didn't give off any any other light. 156 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,480 So let's say, for instance, you see the clear cut area. 157 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:58,040 Did it give off any light? I say sometimes it gives off a certain amount of light all the way around perfectly. 158 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,760 You mean like you see around the moon? Yeah, sometimes. Yes. 159 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,720 No change of brightness, except when it changed. 160 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,600 It was there to move. That's the only time when we see it. 161 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 When it first started to go away from us, it was the same color. 162 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:17,760 You know, it did change shape only because you thought there was a possibility that it was that it was changing its position. 163 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,760 Well, you don't know. I don't know why it changed the shape, but it looked like it did. 164 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,800 It was leaving. All right. Now let's see. 165 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,120 When you look through the windshield, what part of the windshield did you look through? 166 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,560 I mean, was it the middle of windshield? The upper part of the windshield? Yeah, it was through the middle of the windshield. 167 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,200 We didn't have to look up. You didn't know it was directly in the middle. 168 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,720 Pretty much in the middle. That seems to be a pretty low angle. Right. 169 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:49,480 OK. And your comparison, of course, you gave it at the big, the big as a church and not larger. 170 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,800 That was right next to right. Well, it's pretty hard to tell unless we know exactly how far away was somebody on that side. 171 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,320 You have to see that. That's what we need. Somebody east of you and beyond that should have seen it. 172 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,640 And then we could get a pretty good idea. You know, we're just exactly where it was as far as distance is concerned. 173 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:08,840 I understand this. But you didn't see it. He was on east of us when he said he was. 174 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,120 He was a little more south of you. Well, he was in storywood. 175 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,800 Yeah. Yeah. 176 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,000 It's still with us an idea. You see, because we could cross those two lines. 177 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:23,080 He was on route two twenty four and we were on triple Boulevard and they run parallel, approximately a mile apart. 178 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,480 Let me ask another question here. What about the. 179 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,760 It just happened to be there. You just looked and there was as you were driving down the road. 180 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Yeah, we didn't see it come down or anything. We didn't see nothing until we. 181 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,160 Is there a rise or something? Is there a little bit of a rise where you come up over and level off? 182 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Yeah, it kind of goes up the hill there. Yeah. 183 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,080 It goes up the hill and it makes a curve and then starts down. 184 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:49,000 When we get on top of the curve, there's where we see it. Right. OK. 185 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,600 Did you see any airplanes around during the time that you were watching this thing or just before or just after? 186 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:59,360 No, I didn't. And what other person was with you? 187 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,000 Gary, you know, and you know the name of the patrolman. 188 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,880 No, I don't. I couldn't tell you that. I don't know. Did we find out, Chuck? 189 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,200 I don't work in there. I didn't. I don't know. 190 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,560 Let's see now. Did anybody else talk to you? 191 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:21,720 Let's say, for instance, of an official nature like the military, like the Air Force, like the sheriffs. 192 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,720 No, nobody's talking to me, but just just us. 193 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,640 That's all nobody else, but somebody else has talked to you on a phone. 194 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:32,240 Oh, yeah. Just about 20 minutes ago, Mr. Popwich, George Popwich. OK. 195 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,720 The U.S. or C. And you didn't have a camera with you. 196 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,240 No, we didn't. I wish we would. Oh, boy. 197 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,720 You know, it's amazing to me because almost all police cars are lacking a camera. 198 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:50,560 I think that there should be some kind of a Polaroid or something in there that you guys could take a picture of our traffic. 199 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,800 Our cameras are crucial. Well, they all should have one. 200 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,200 Do you people have a log down at the down at your police station on UFOs that come in? 201 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,280 Do they put them on the log? We were told they don't. 202 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,200 Whether they do or not. I don't know. Now, we radioed in that we spot. 203 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,480 It seems kind of funny to me that they wouldn't put on the record. 204 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:19,880 Now, whether they do or not, I couldn't tell you. Is there any possibility that you you have anything against the use of your name for particular purpose? 205 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,640 Mitching on a radio or a newspaper or something. I mean, on our little pamphlet that we sent out. 206 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,040 It's OK. Thank you for that. No. 207 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Is there any other question? Very. Anyone have you seen other actors? 208 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,440 Oh, yeah. Have you ever seen something like this before? Well, I don't know. 209 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Also, you told you not. We've seen it going across the sky one night. 210 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,240 But what it was, I don't know. It was too far away. We couldn't tell what it was. 211 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,480 But we watched it, but it was nothing like this here. This is it wasn't the April 17th in the morning. 212 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Was it? When was it? 213 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,920 Was I don't know when it was. You know, I couldn't tell you. 214 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,160 I know it was in the summertime. Did I tell you about now you didn't see. 215 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Well, but it was so far away, but we couldn't tell what it was. 216 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,360 But it was nothing like this here, which is the white. 217 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Going across could have been a satellite to go to. 218 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,600 Now, let me ask you a question about this surface because this is important to us. 219 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,480 Was there a scintillation? You know what scintillation is? 220 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,680 You know, you think, for instance, if you look at a diamond or something or something with many little particles 221 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:27,360 of very shiny material that continually give off little bits of light all the time, did it look like that at all? 222 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,760 No. Well, no, it looked more like a. 223 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,680 Well, I don't know what you described as a waffle finish on it. You know what I mean? 224 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,920 A waffle finish. Right. You know how a waffle is a little checked. 225 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,280 Yeah. Yeah. That's what it looked like. It wasn't smooth. 226 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Mm hmm. But I didn't give off this business like different surfaces of light. 227 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,360 No, giving off color so that maybe the color at one moment was let's say a tiny bit of green, 228 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,800 the tiny bit of red, a tiny bit of white, tiny bit of nothing like that. 229 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:03,120 No. And it was not one time that you saw any light go away from the object into the atmosphere around it. 230 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 You know, no, I didn't know what was it? 231 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,320 Brilliant. What would you compare the brilliance to? 232 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,480 How mean? How brilliant was it compared to the moon? Let's say. 233 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,920 Well, it was it was brighter than the moon. 234 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,760 About an oncoming auto headlight. 235 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,320 Well, other than being a different color, it was bright. 236 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,520 It was a different color than auto headlights, you know what I mean? 237 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,240 But it was bright. I mean, have you seen? 238 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,880 Have you seen, let's say, for instance, a landing light in an airplane coming towards you? 239 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,320 Oh, I've seen that. Yeah. We see that out there. 240 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,040 Could you look directly at it? Oh, yes, you could look at it. 241 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,760 There was as bright as the sun would be. 242 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,760 No, I mean, you looked at it. We never took our eyes off of it. 243 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,720 It didn't hurt your eyes anyway. No. 244 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,280 You didn't have any no, no, no watering of the eyes at the moment from strain. No. 245 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,520 Well, I don't know what else we can ask. 246 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,400 You know, there's any wind. 247 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,960 Is there any wind at night? 248 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,480 No, not to mount anything that was a cold or warm. 249 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:02,400 It was cold. 250 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,880 Mm hmm. It was cold. 251 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,400 So, yeah, I did miss some of these things. 252 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,240 Yeah, I didn't follow the thing all the way. 253 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,400 We got the elevation to size. 254 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Apparently, we're going to compare it with a with a with a church, 255 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,280 so it's no use having anything else to compare it with. 256 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,640 And he did say that it rose while it was in motion. 257 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,640 It didn't. It never did anything erratic. 258 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,600 It never it never moved along like this or or let's say, for instance, 259 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,200 it's sort of like a wild canary or something like that. 260 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,320 It, what you might say was on a steady course. 261 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:33,400 It didn't up and down. 262 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,200 Or if it rose, it rose steadily. 263 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,480 Right. And if it came towards you, came towards you steadily. 264 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,080 Right. And never seemed to have any any deviation right or left 265 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,560 as it came towards you or went away. 266 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,080 No, it didn't. 267 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,840 Other than when it's banked off, what I would call banked off kind of to the left, 268 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,040 you know, or to the north, it would have been. 269 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,480 Was it was it a helicopter? 270 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,000 Was it a helicopter? No. 271 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,920 Was it an airplane? No, it wasn't. 272 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,360 You think it was a blend? 273 00:17:58,360 --> 00:17:59,720 No, it was no blend. 274 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,200 You think it was any kind of an aircraft you ever saw? 275 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,080 No, I've never seen anything like it. 276 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,520 What do you think you saw? 277 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,240 I don't know what it was. 278 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,400 I think this about concludes our little interview here. 279 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,840 I don't think I have anything else to ask. 280 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,920 And how do you spell your last name? 281 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,040 Your first name, John and your last name. 282 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,440 I mean, Bikett B.I.C.K.T.T. 283 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Well, thanks, Mr. Bikett, for your hospitality and the interview. 284 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,720 And this is Mark and Dussault, Larry Moyers and Chuck Macintosh and signing off for this evening. 285 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,680 Thank you very much.